TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
The 17mm Nagler type 4 is an awesome eyepiece. It provides a very wide field of view and ample eye relief for eyeglasses. Even without eyeglasses, the eye relief is helpful: more comfortable, less fogging, and less film from eyelashes. Although there is some pincushion distortion in the 17mm Nagler, it is far lower than that found in the Nagler type 1 (the 9mm, the 7mm), type 2 (the 16 mm), or type 5 (the 31mm), the 35mm Panoptic, or the 30mm Leitz. There is only slight color at the very edges, which you would not normally notice in use. The coatings clearly transmit more light than the older Japanese Nagler type 1 (7mm) or type 2 (16mm) eyepieces based on looking at reflections of bright lights. The eyepiece appears sharp pretty much throughout at f/4.3 with a Paracorr and at f/6.8 without. The disadvantages are the cost, the weight, and the focal plane (not parfocal with most eyepieces, but not too far off). The newer stiff Instadjust is fine. In summary, this degree of sharpness and clarity over a very large, relatively flat field of view with ample eye relief is amazing. I do not know of a better eyepiece in this regard at any focal length. Some may prefer a premium version of a simpler design, giving up field of view for a largely theoretical improvement in contrast, but this is a hobby, and I vote for the most beautiful, comfortable image.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
This is my second most used eyepiece! pinpoint stars across the entire field of view in my 8" f10 scope! the instajust eyeguard is wonderful! this eyepiece would be a great addition to your eyepiece collection! very expensive but well worth it!!

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Excellent eyepiece, but I don't like the Insta-just. Very cumbersome. Prefer an eyepiece that you don't have to fidget with.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Wonderfull eyepiece! heavy & solidly built. heavier than the revered 22mm nagler t4. top of the line optics! crisp across the entire fov. buy one you cant go wrong!

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
It's in my F5 Orion XT10 90% of the time, it's amazing. Many of my views bring rave reviews at my local observing site.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
I have owned this eyepiece for about nine months, having originally bought it for use with a 10 inch f/10 SCT. It was my first Nagler, and has since become my most used eyepiece in the SCT. Later I acquired a four inch f/8.6 refractor, and the 17mm Nagler sees a lot of use in that scope as well.

First impression: this eyepiece is large and heavy! It's about the same weight as a 35mm Panoptic, but not quite so large in diameter.

Some of the diameter on the Nagler is contributed by the instajust eye guard, whereas the Panoptic is all barrel and glass. For those of you new to this, instajust is a sliding collar that fits around the outside of the eyepiece barrel and holds the rubber eyecup. You can adjust it up or down to help set the optimum eye position. Some people hate these because the heavy eyepiece can slip through the collar, convincing you that you are about to drop the eyepiece. The collar doesn't actually come off, so there really is no danger. Other people just don't like adjustable parts on their eyepieces, but it has never bothered me.

Using this eyepiece with my 2500mm SCT produces 147X, which is within the sweet spot for most planetary observation. While I hadn't thought of using it for that purpose, the 17mm Nagler does spend a fair amount of time on Jupiter and Saturn. The reason is that 147X is useful virtually every night under any seeing conditions with this scope, so in a way the 17mm Nagler has become my fallback eyepiece when the seeing isn't so good.

Let's talk about the true field in practical terms. 147X brings out plenty of bands and zones in Jupiter, but the 17mm Nagler allows you to take in all four big moons with Callisto and Ganymede at their fullest elongation from the planet. Not only do you take them in, but you have almost half of the true field to spare!

This eyepiece is also a good choice for globular clusters with an SCT, provided you like your globulars set in a larger area of dark sky. Nearby stars remain as pinpoints all the way to edge of field, which is nice for giving your eye something to compare to when studying globulars.

Where I have really found the 17mm Nagler to excel is with large, bright nebulae such as M-42. Here again, the true field is wide enough to set the target in a nice field of dark sky. Adding a Lumicon UHC filter really coaxes out the detail from my suburban location.

About five months ago the 4 inch refractor came along, and the 17mm Nagler has seen it's share of time in that focuser as well. In this application the true field is 1.6 degrees, which is good for taking in open clusters, the double cluster in Perseus, or rich star fields.

In summary, I find this to be my most useful eyepiece because it pulls double duty between two scopes. It is a bit pricey, but I would still rate it as a must have even if I were limited to just three eyepieces.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
The views through this eyepiece are wonderful!!! I should have rated the optics in this gem a 12! How can people rate cheap plossel eyepieces with low quailty optics 9 and 10s on this rating system? If they can do that, then I should be able to rate this eyepiece a 20 in comparision! If you really love astronomy buy it!,,, you will not regret it.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Simply incredible in my F5 Skyquest XT10. I hardly ever change the eyepiece.

I belong to an active club and between us we have access to just about every premium EP on the market. The Nagler 17mm and Nagler 22mm are the most raved about EPs.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Incredible eyepiece, it's become the default for the "teens" focal length. Dark, incredibly crisp images. Great for planets and DSO's. I'd rank this critter up there right behind the Nagler 20 and 26 for quality.

We've found our Pentax 14mmXL and Panoptic 15/19's tend to stay in the box when this puppy is around... which is saying a lot because those eyepieces are no slouches and easily 9.5's themselves!

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Well I hate to add to the chorus. I get very tired of Nagler this, Nagler that. As a friend once remarked it's easy to buy an excellent wine for $50 a bottle the trick is, can you do it for $10 a bottle? The latter takes knoweldge. So I won't say it's a great *value* when you pop over $300 and get a great eyepiece, a great *value* is something like the UO 40mm MK 70 or the Pentax 10.5mm. Hell even the Meade 14mm UWA, a fabled eyepiece, is cheaper. But it is definitely the quality you want when you shell out in this price range.

Well anyhow I bought one. I own a C14 and the 17mm yields 230x and a 21 arc minute fov. That is not huge, but I will say that it blows away many of the views I've had at similar magnifcations in other scopes.

I know a lot of people who say that you should observe planets only in orthos and I also know frequently published well knwon observers who think this is hooey. I have seen a great deal of detail on Jupiter in the 17mm and rarely does seeing support more magnification. White ovals, blue festoons in the equatorial region, equatorial belt, GRS and trailing detail in belt, it's all there.

One of the things I also do, few that I know do, is draw starfields around objects and evaluate the faintest stars I see for limiting magnitude. Luginbuhl and Skiff's Observer's Catalog of Deep Sky Objects has a number of photometric studies that are quite useful for this, Skiff has additional star fields on the net, and the new USNO B-1 catalog gives a fair V mag if you average the Red and Blue values. Well my faintest magnitude so far is 15.6 on a star near NGC 2419 so you have to wonder just how much light these multilens eyepieces could be blocking.

This is my "cruising" eyepiece, seeing conditiosn usually support this in the C14, when I can go higher I do, and sometimes I back down to get a bit more field. This is the one I use for checking out faint galaxies in Abell clusters and what have you. It's in my diagonal more than my other eyepieces combined, which is annoying, because as I say, I get tired of hearing about the greatness of Televue/Naglers, and it's also annoying because I have a fair penny in the other eyepieces. Even so, it's a damned good eyepiece.

I have had occasional blackout but eliminate it by pulling up the metal sheath which works fine for me. When I'm sharing with the public it's also helpful.

Overall Rating: 10
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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
This is an excellent medium-low power eyepiece for use in a 5" APO. In my TOA 130 I am able to frame M81 and M82 in the same FOV at 58X. Open clusters are simply outstanding in this EP , with the stellar images pinpoint across the entire FOV. If you are able to afford only one premium eyepiece , this is it!

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Compliments my Meade LX90 extremely well . . . gorgeous views . . . as another person has stated, the best of the "teens"!

Sold a brand new Meade 14mm UWA (which I hated) to help purchase this eyepiece!

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Got the 17mm 3 months ago, it is stellar! I have a 12.5 F4.8 meade optics homemade telescope. The 17mm has became my finder eyepiece replacing my 31mm proxima GTO eyepiece. The Naglar is now my most used eyepiece and barlows great with may 2" big barlow. Everything looks good in this eyepiece from galaxies to planets. The only knock on the eyepiece is that it is heavy.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
I always wanted this eyepiece. Used it in a Discovery 10" F/5,6... Just sold it this week. HORRIBLE field curvature. It almost made it worthless.

I should say though: I used to have a paracorr, and it made the 17mm T4 the best thing next to sliced bread. Paracorr flattens the field as well as fix curvature.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
It's perfect. Stars are pinpoints across the entire field. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this ep!

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
Great eyepiece but a bit on the expensive side.Very high optical quality!I use this as a fairly high power eyepiece for my CG-14,A medium to low power choice with my TOA-130,and a low power choice for my Vixen ED 80.It absolutely is incredible on open clusters in the APO's and is pretty decent on planetary and lunar in the big SCT.It is definately one of my favorite eyepieces and the views will not disappoint regardless of the instrument.Ask any serious amateur with serious equipment and the choice usually is Televue.

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TeleVue Nagler Type 4 17mm
I have used two of these 17mm Naglers in three of my f-5 dobs(12" 20" and 25") and it just doesn't have the hyped up performance that most people are giving it. Both have shown great star points in the center of the field of view, but by the time the star is in the outer third it's unacceptable. Unless you use a Parracor you will have this problem in a f-5 scope and faster. Maybe most reviewers are using this eyepiece on slower SCT's and refractors? On the other hand my old 20mm T-2 Nagler is great...and also great are the T-6 Naglers from the 13 down to the 5mm (haven't tried any higher pwr ones).

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